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  • FrostHydra
    PCHF Member
    • Jan 2023
    • 13

    #1

    PC Reboots and/or Shutdowns randomly

    Alright, So I’ve been having this issue starting from roughly 3 month ago, I’d like to note that during the 2nd month it did not appear once, but recently reappeared about a month ago.

    I first noticed while playing the game War Thunder, randomly during a match my computer would either; 1. Reboot, 2. partially shutdown? (I’ll go into details later), or 3. fully shutdown. Now this originally would happen every 1-3 days for the first week, it was also completely random load wise, I could be inside of a match, sitting in the menu, or downloading files within the game. Temperatures were fine and CPU never went above 70, and GPU never above 72. This issue started to happen daily soon, within ever 6 hours roughly. After every crash/reboot the time until it occurred again was shortened. eventually it happened every hour, then every 30 minutes, and then I wouldn’t be able to launch the game with out my pc crashing instantly on launch.

    About a month ago I went and made a post on the game’s official forum as nothing else seemed to trigger this reboot/shutdown issue. I play far more intensive games at max settings like Elite Dangerous and Horizon Zero Dawn; as will as using modeling and rendering tools like Maya and Unity, and none of those ever trigged the issue; Until about a week ago. 3 hours into HZD PC shuts off, 3 hours into ED, PC shuts off. I don’t know why War Thunder was the “Canary in the coal mine”, but it was the sole application triggering this event until recently. I even had a shutdown while just watching YouTube on a browser.

    There is nothing indicating that loads or temperatures are causing the shutdown. I can run a full 3DMark render with no issues. And I’ve individually stress tested the GPU, CPU, PSU, UPS, and Ram for over a hour, everything says its fine.

    Overheating seems to be the most common issue of shutdowns whenever I tried to research this issue, unless my hardware is displaying incorrect reading, this is not my problem. The 2nd most common issue seems to be a sudden lack of Power. my PSU is 1000W, and the UPS it’s plugged into is 1200W, I don’t think I have ever seen my setup pull more then 650W anyways.

    Software wise, I have updated Windows, Updated graphic drivers (and went to older versions to see if that would work (It didn’t)) and even reinstalled my BIOS. I also ran Windows System File Checker and all software that should be there, seems to be accounted for.

    Above, I mentioned that some times the PC would not reboot, or fully shutdown. 1/3 of the time there seems to be a partial shutdown. Monitor, the GPU, fans, and most periperials turn off. But, the Motherboard and RAM are still on (or at least their RGB is, which to me indicated that its completely on).

    I am not at all tech savvy, and have reached the peak in my abilities to try and resolve this issue with my own research and knowledge. All I have been truly able to do the past month is determine that its not applications or games that cause it, and rather some type of hardware/software issue on my actual PC.

    I’ve seen in similar posts here that “Speccy” is commonly requested, so I went ahead and used it
    Here’s the link: Link to Speccy

    Below I have pictures of the GPU, CPU, PSU, and Ram stress tests, along with Event Viewer and the Console displaying the crashes and reboots. The black and purple photo is my PC in what I called a “partial shutoff” as you can clearly see the Ram and Motherboard still on (the RGB GPU bracket is hooked to the motherboard), while the GPU, fans, and most of the other components are off.

    Imgur link to all above mentioned photos
  • veeg
    PCHF Director
    • Jul 2016
    • 8977

    #2
    Hello

    Other than the psu which seems to be good. Have you tried a different electrical outlet?

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    • FrostHydra
      PCHF Member
      • Jan 2023
      • 13

      #3
      Originally posted by veeg
      Hello

      Other than the psu which seems to be good. Have you tried a different electrical outlet?
      Yes, I’ve also moved the pc to a different house. I have had the PC on during 3 separate power outages as well, with the battery of the UPS alone being able to continuously sustain the PC perfectly fine.

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      • veeg
        PCHF Director
        • Jul 2016
        • 8977

        #4
        Ok let’s get more help.

        @Pyro

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        • Pyro
          PCHF Member
          • Jan 2019
          • 1189

          #5
          This is my laundry list, it’s a good starting point for troubleshooting and should get you an idea what’s going on:

          Pay special attention to #1 and #4, your OS drive ( C: ) is running low on space, and I see quite a few external drives.


          Furthermore, have you tried running the computer without it being plugged into the UPS?
          1. Try running the following programs, also try to keep at least 25-30% of your disks as free space.

          Run Disk Cleanup (check all the boxes) this will delete things such as your recycling bin, so make sure you don’t have any files you want to keep.

          Run Defragment and Optimize Drives, run this on your drives.
          1. Disable any overclocking or changes to power/performance settings

          Turn off XMP/any overclocking you may have done (if any)

          Settings > System > Power and sleep > Additional power settings
          Make sure your power plan is set to balanced, anything else could tamper with the wrong settings and cause issues.
          1. Check for Operating System Corruption

          Right click on the Windows logo in the bottom left and select Windows Powershell (Admin)
          Run these three commands separately:

          sfc /scannow

          Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth

          Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

          These will take a while to run, do not close out of Powershell while they are running, if one fails then move onto the next and then loop back around.

          Note: It doesn’t hurt to make a system backup before you make all these changes, save any important files of folders. While these changes shouldn’t cause any issues, better to be safe than sorry.
          1. Unplug unnecessary devices.

          If you have a gamepad, extra monitor, external hard drive/flash drive, or anything that is not essential to using the computer plugged in, unplug it.

          Once you have completed all of these tasks, restart it (using the restart option in the power menu) and re-test.

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          • FrostHydra
            PCHF Member
            • Jan 2023
            • 13

            #6
            All right, I’m preforming all the 4 steps. I’m moving a lot of stuff from my main OS drive to external drives. If I still have the issue I will reply ASAP. if not, I will still wait a few days before assuming it has been fixed; as this problem as been proven to occur rather inconsistently, so I want to wait a period to see if it reoccurs.

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            • FrostHydra
              PCHF Member
              • Jan 2023
              • 13

              #7
              PC did a partial shutdown today after about a hour of gaming. Motherboard and RAM still looked to be on, but everything else was off. A detail I forgot to mention above, which I remembered when conducting step 2, is that the BIOS seems to reset to default settings every time the pc is booted. I vividly remember a year ago having XMP on and running my ram at 4000hz. I added 2 new sticks of ram that year so I checked task manager and bunch of other areas to make sure that the ram was indeed at 4000, and not at its default speed. For whatever reason now, every time i go into BIOS I get a quick pop up stated that all changes have been set to default; meaning my ram is also running at its default speed of 2400. Basicaly XMP has been disabled and no edits to my BIOS has been saving since this shutdown issue has appeared.

              Here’s a Imigur Link showcasing the BIOS settings, which are all default, as I no longer seem to be able to save any changes to it.

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              • veeg
                PCHF Director
                • Jul 2016
                • 8977

                #8
                You may want to see if there is a bio update for your pc.

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                • Pyro
                  PCHF Member
                  • Jan 2019
                  • 1189

                  #9
                  That memory is way too fast for your Processor.
                  System Memory Specification
                  [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Up to 3200MHz

                  If it was running under or over the specified speed that could cause some strangeness.

                  When is the last time you replaced your CMOS battery and cleared your CMOS?[/COLOR]

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                  • FrostHydra
                    PCHF Member
                    • Jan 2023
                    • 13

                    #10
                    I reinstalled the latest version of my BIOS about 3 weeks ago. I will check again though to see if there’s a new version.
                    Originally posted by Pyro
                    That memory is way too fast for your Processor
                    Thank you, I guess I did not conduct thorough enough research while picking out my ram. Regarding the CMOS, I’ve never changed the battery. My PC is a bit over 2 years old now. While investigating a few days ago regarding the bios not being able to save t, I did see the recommendation of changing the battery, I already ordered it and should be arriving soon.

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                    • phillpower2
                      PCHF Administrator
                      • Sep 2016
                      • 15205

                      #11
                      Post the brand and model name or number for all of your RAM + how many sticks of each you have.

                      Same as above for your PSU, 1000W sounds great but not all PSUs are equal, some are good while some are outright dangerous.

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                      • Pyro
                        PCHF Member
                        • Jan 2019
                        • 1189

                        #12
                        On-top of what Phill suggested, have you tried removing Java? One of the other helpers has found issues with it in the past, and you can always reinstall it later.

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                        • FrostHydra
                          PCHF Member
                          • Jan 2023
                          • 13

                          #13
                          I uninstalled Java. I have 4 sticks of 16 GB PC4-32000 DDR4 SDRAM Team Group TEAMGROUP-UD4-4000. Currently at 2400hz. My PSU is a EVGA SuperNOVA 1000W G5 Gold

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                          • Pyro
                            PCHF Member
                            • Jan 2019
                            • 1189

                            #14
                            Are you still plugged into the UPS?

                            Have you tried plugging directly into the wall?

                            Did you clear up some space on your C: drive?

                            Let’s get an updated speccy.

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                            • FrostHydra
                              PCHF Member
                              • Jan 2023
                              • 13

                              #15
                              Alright so the PC is now directly plugged into a wall, The battery arrived and I replaced and reset the CMOS. I moved roughly 150GB from my C:drive

                              Here is the updated Speccy

                              I haven’t had time to use my PC a lot this week, and have likewise have not encountered the issue. I hopefully can get on for multiple hours at a time this weekend to try and see if a restart/shutdown occurs. As though it has happened within short uses before, it seems far more likely to happen during prolonged uses.

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