Impossible to research; persistent frame stutter/jitter

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Hi everyone,

Please bear with me as this my first post on these forums. My specs: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qWjVxH

It's hard to describe exactly what I'm experiencing; I'll attempt to attach a couple videos to demonstrate the issues and hope that succeeds where my words fail.

The issue first appeared as a seeming drop in fps. Despite my FPS counter displayed 240, it honestly felt closer to 60 and I couldn't figure it out. I changed graphics settings and whatnot, but had no improvement. In fact, I had no progress until i decided to take a slow motion video in order to better understand the behavior I was experiencing. The results were puzzling. Firstly, the image appears highly torn. Secondly, there appears to be a strange 'jitter' that is most visible on the edge of geometry. Thirdly, there's noticeable ghosting and after images along with strange fore-images. I have noticed a couple of other things that seem strange and might be related: occasional audio crackle (specifically when watching YouTube) and highish system latency (uses to be very high). This issue seems impossible to search online as every result is regarding standard CPU/GPU stutter and not the unique jitter im experiencing.

Here are 3 videos that demonstrate the issue: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1hyzn6P3FVoB_zNDDjYKalNqldJh_YDUY?usp=sharing

Now for the things I've tried.

-VGA driver clean install (DDU)
-CPU/GPU performance/temp monitoring
-BIOS update
-CMOS reset
-reseating GPU
-OS clean install
-different dp cable
-different monitor
-switched to integrated graphics
-different mouse
-reinstalled mobo drivers
-tried each RAM stick on its own
-turned off XMP
-changed refresh rate
-changed resolution
-used a controller
-MemTest (1 pass)
-Windows memory test
-Disk Check
-system file checker
-Park Control

I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff, but this is a good list to start. Please give me any and all leads. At this point I'm hoping to find someone who might have dealt with this before.
 
Your Parts Picker list is what you wanted to get, that may have changed, and even if not, let's see what Windows thinks you have.

To aid in Veeg's request, let’s do a full workup of your system specs.
No personal data is published and everything shown is safe.

1) Download Speccy by Piriform.
In Speccy, click File > Publish Snapshot > Copy to Clipboard > Close.
Paste that link into your post. Is Speccy safe?

2) Download GetSystemInfo by Kaspersky.
In GSI, click Start. (takes about 10mins)
It makes a ZIP file on your desktop, drag that to their GSI Parser site.
Once analysed, paste the newly created URL into your post.

3) Download MiniToolBox by Farbar.
In MTB, tick List Installed Programs, click Go then close the program.
A file MTB.txt is created in the same folder, attach that to your post.

4) Did you end up getting the Asus ROG-STRIX-850G 80+ Gold PSU?

5) Go to www.speedtest.net and screenshot your network speeds.
 
Bruce said:
Your Parts Picker list is what you wanted to get, that may have changed, and even if not, let's see what Windows thinks you have.

To aid in Veeg's request, let’s do a full workup of your system specs.
No personal data is published and everything shown is safe.

1) Download Speccy by Piriform.
In Speccy, click File > Publish Snapshot > Copy to Clipboard > Close.
Paste that link into your post. Is Speccy safe?

2) Download GetSystemInfo by Kaspersky.
In GSI, click Start. (takes about 10mins)
It makes a ZIP file on your desktop, drag that to their GSI Parser site.
Once analysed, paste the newly created URL into your post.

3) Download MiniToolBox by Farbar.
In MTB, tick List Installed Programs, click Go then close the program.
A file MTB.txt is created in the same folder, attach that to your post.

4) Did you end up getting the Asus ROG-STRIX-850G 80+ Gold PSU?

5) Go to www.speedtest.net and screenshot your network speeds.
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Thank you for the response. I've done as you said. I'm including the results in this reply.

Yes I did get the 850W. The PCPart List is completely up to date.

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Bruce said:
Your Parts Picker list is what you wanted to get, that may have changed, and even if not, let's see what Windows thinks you have.

To aid in Veeg's request, let’s do a full workup of your system specs.
No personal data is published and everything shown is safe.

1) Download Speccy by Piriform.
In Speccy, click File > Publish Snapshot > Copy to Clipboard > Close.
Paste that link into your post. Is Speccy safe?

2) Download GetSystemInfo by Kaspersky.
In GSI, click Start. (takes about 10mins)
It makes a ZIP file on your desktop, drag that to their GSI Parser site.
Once analysed, paste the newly created URL into your post.

3) Download MiniToolBox by Farbar.
In MTB, tick List Installed Programs, click Go then close the program.
A file MTB.txt is created in the same folder, attach that to your post.

4) Did you end up getting the Asus ROG-STRIX-850G 80+ Gold PSU?

5) Go to www.speedtest.net and screenshot your network speeds.
Click to expand...
Additionally, I'd like to ask if I should post this issue in software instead? I'm at the stage where I believe my issue is likely to be the mobo, but I'm hoping to get any and everything else eliminated first, including software/drivers.
 
Looks like you forget the Speccy URL, unless I can't see it which is possible with the dark hyperlink colour.
No need for the case specs, and the storage stuff will be in those reports.
We'll leave the posts in this forum section, can always move it as needs dictate. 🙂
 
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According to GSI, the last time Windows was reloaded was December 2022.
Is that correct?
If so, that's what I'd be doing first up.
The GSI report, in the System Properties page, Log Events tab, show a few services terminating multiple times.

For me, I'd be taking the whole thing back to square one;
  • Download the Windows Media Creation Tool from here; https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/ by clicking the Download Now button.
  • Double click your downloaded file to create a bootable USB stick with your selected Windows version. The stick needs to be at least 8GB and all contents on it will be erased.
  • Also visit your motherboard manufactures website and download the chipset drivers for audio, video, network, etc. Save these to another USB stick.
  • Only have one drive connected, the boot drive. And have the PC off the web.
  • Reboot the PC with the Windows USB inserted, the PC should boot from the stick, if it doesn't, you'll need to get in the BIOS and change the boot order.
  • During the installation of Windows, you are offered the chance to delete all the current partitions - do that.
  • Once installed, stay off the web, install those pre-saved chipset drivers.
  • Turn off the PC, reconnect any extra drives, connect back to the web, disconnect the USB sticks. Reboot the PC.
  • Now you can activate Windows and check for Windows Updates.
With the PC in this clean state, now check YouTube and see if the problems are still there.
Then load one game and test again.
 
From the Speccy report
  • drive A:\ showing Read Error Rate and Seek Error Rate values, so potential issue there. Disconnect A:\ and see if things improve
  • in BIOS, turn off XMP mode in memory section
 
Bruce said:
From the Speccy report
  • drive A:\ showing Read Error Rate and Seek Error Rate values, so potential issue there. Disconnect A:\ and see if things improve
  • in BIOS, turn off XMP mode in memory section
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I considered my storage earlier today. I booted into just he 2 NVMEs, knowing the issue started before I installed them. No change.

I've also tried cycling out one memory stick at a time and also turning XMP off. No change
 
First disable Windows Automatically installing drivers on reboot.

run this command in Elevated command prompt.

Code: 
@echo off 
REG ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DriverSearching" /v "SearchOrderConfig" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f


Clean install the Nvidia driver with DDU
Install DDU Boot into safe mode.
Remove driver with DDU
Reinstall and uncheck everything except the driver.
With the Nvidia Clean install tool.
Download and run the Intel Exctreme Tune Utility. Then Undervolt your CPU a few nothces and see if this helps out a bit.
Undervolting your CPU involves lowering the voltage supplied to your processor, which can reduce power consumption and operating temperatures while potentially improving performance.

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Malnutrition said:
First disable Windows Automatically installing drivers on reboot.

run this command in Elevated command prompt.

Code: 
@echo off<br>REM Disable automatic driver updates via registry<br>REG ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DriverSearching" /v "SearchOrderConfig" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f


Clean install the Nvidia driver with DDU
Install DDU Boot into safe mode.
Remove driver with DDU
Reinstall and uncheck everything except the driver.
With the Nvidia Clean install tool.
Download and run the Intel Exctreme Tune Utility. Then Undervolt your CPU a few nothces and see if this helps out a bit.
Undervolting your CPU involves lowering the voltage supplied to your processor, which can reduce power consumption and operating temperatures while potentially improving performance.

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I'm stuck on the first step. CMD tells me the error could not be found. I search around in the registry and couldnt find the DriverSearching file
 
Disable windows update installing drivers.

  • Open Settings:
  • Press Win + I to open Settings.
  • In the left pane, click on System.
  • On the right side, click on About.
  • Click on “Advanced system settings”.
  • In the System Properties window, select the Hardware tab.
  • Click on “Device Installation Settings”.
  • Choose “No (your device might not work as expected)”.
  • Click on Save Changes.
  • Click OK.
 
Malnutrition said:
First disable Windows Automatically installing drivers on reboot.

run this command in Elevated command prompt.

Code: 
@echo off
REG ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DriverSearching" /v "SearchOrderConfig" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f


Clean install the Nvidia driver with DDU
Install DDU Boot into safe mode.
Remove driver with DDU
Reinstall and uncheck everything except the driver.
With the Nvidia Clean install tool.
Download and run the Intel Exctreme Tune Utility. Then Undervolt your CPU a few nothces and see if this helps out a bit.
Undervolting your CPU involves lowering the voltage supplied to your processor, which can reduce power consumption and operating temperatures while potentially improving performance.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
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Intel® Core™ i7-12700KF Processor (25M Cache, up to 5.00 GHz) Downloads, Drivers and Software | Intel

Intel® Core™ i7-12700KF Processor (25M Cache, up to 5.00 GHz) - Download supporting resources inclusive drivers, software, bios, and firmware updates.
www.intel.com www.intel.com

TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS WIFI D4 | Motherboards | ASUS Gloabl

ASUS TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS WIFI D4 is an Intel® Z690 (LGA 1700) ATX gaming motherboard with 16 DrMOS power stages, PCIe 5.0, four M.2 slots, WiFi 6, USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 Type-C®, and Aura Sync RGB lighting.
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Ok just finished these steps. No dice. I did find some potentially useful things. 1. The problem seems to persist even in Safe Mode (harder to tell due to lower refresh rate) 2. the benchmark in the Intel Tuner program showed that peak performance was at about -75 Mv. Additionally, I thought the the headphones might have been causing the issue. (Sennheiser drivers seem to be pretty bad) but after unplugging and uninstalling device, no change
 
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