My Surface Pro 8 is running very slow, much slower than my old pro 5

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  • phillpower2
    PCHF Administrator
    • Sep 2016
    • 15209

    #16
    Originally posted by Malnutrition
    Disable Boot Defrag. Enable or disable boot defrag
    Disable Fast Boot. https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/art...-in-Windows-10
    Download and run HellZerg Optimizer. Download Optimizer 16.7
    Disable everything you do not use, just leave system restore enabled.
    Any change in the behaviour since you did all of the above.

    Were the Speccy scan results and MTB log generated before or after you did the above steps.

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    • phillpower2
      PCHF Administrator
      • Sep 2016
      • 15209

      #17
      Originally posted by Malnutrition
      Disable Boot Defrag. Enable or disable boot defrag
      Disable Fast Boot. https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/art...-in-Windows-10
      Download and run HellZerg Optimizer. Download Optimizer 16.7
      Disable everything you do not use, just leave system restore enabled.
      Any change in the behaviour since you did all of the above.

      Were the Speccy scan results and MTB log generated before or after you did the above steps.

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      • 7055
        PCHF Member
        • Jul 2025
        • 13

        #18
        Originally posted by phillpower2
        Any change in the behaviour since you did all of the above.

        Were the Speccy scan results and MTB log generated before or after you did the above steps.
        It does seem to have improved it, though oddly the performance of my surface pro can be intermittent

        It was done before. I did everything in the order you posted it

        Anything else you would recommend I do? Any way you recommend to check for malware or anything like that that could be slowing it down?

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        • 7055
          PCHF Member
          • Jul 2025
          • 13

          #19
          Originally posted by phillpower2
          Any change in the behaviour since you did all of the above.

          Were the Speccy scan results and MTB log generated before or after you did the above steps.
          It does seem to have improved it, though oddly the performance of my surface pro can be intermittent

          It was done before. I did everything in the order you posted it

          Anything else you would recommend I do? Any way you recommend to check for malware or anything like that that could be slowing it down?

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          • phillpower2
            PCHF Administrator
            • Sep 2016
            • 15209

            #20
            Originally posted by 7055
            It was done before. I did everything in the order you posted it
            Sorry but it was not me that suggested those steps.

            Can we have a new Speccy url and MTB log please.

            Can I ask that you do not quote every reply as we have to read the full post to make sure nothing gets missed, thanks.

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            • phillpower2
              PCHF Administrator
              • Sep 2016
              • 15209

              #21
              Originally posted by 7055
              It was done before. I did everything in the order you posted it
              Sorry but it was not me that suggested those steps.

              Can we have a new Speccy url and MTB log please.

              Can I ask that you do not quote every reply as we have to read the full post to make sure nothing gets missed, thanks.

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              • 7055
                PCHF Member
                • Jul 2025
                • 13

                #22
                Yes, here it is, the speccy and MTB:

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                • 7055
                  PCHF Member
                  • Jul 2025
                  • 13

                  #23
                  Yes, here it is, the speccy and MTB:

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                  • phillpower2
                    PCHF Administrator
                    • Sep 2016
                    • 15209

                    #24
                    From Speccy, things that we can see that are wrong;
                    Operating System
                    Windows 11 Home 64-bit
                    Computer type: Virtual
                    [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Installation Date: 3/4/2025 3:04:33 AM

                    Windows is shown to be a recent install and a lazy one at that, called lazy as rather than it be done properly the system has just been allowed to work using Windows own generic drivers and random downloads, how it should have been done and for as to why is explained in my canned info below;
                    Once Windows has been clean installed you must then install first the MBs chipset drivers then the storage/SATA drivers and third the graphics drivers, the drivers can either come from a disk provided by the motherboard manufacturer [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]** or downloaded from their site and saved to a flash drive etc, this is a must and Windows should not be allowed to check for updates before it has been done as more often than not Windows installs the wrong drivers or in the incorrect order and this can cause all sorts of problems.

                    The reason why this procedure is so important, the chipset is what enables the MB to be able to communicate with all the hardware + are the first drivers that Windows looks for on boot.

                    [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]** For OEM computers/notebooks such as Acer, Dell, HP and Lenovo etc you must only download drivers from their support page, OEMs may sometimes redirect users to a third party site such as AMD or Nvidea to obtain the latest drivers for their GPUs, this tends to be for high end gaming notebooks and desktops though.
                    Power Profile
                    Active power scheme: Balanced
                    Hibernation: Disabled
                    Turn Off Monitor after: (On AC Power): 10 min
                    Turn Off Monitor after: (On Battery Power): 5 min
                    Turn Off Hard Disk after: (On AC Power): 30 sec
                    Turn Off Hard Disk after: (On Battery Power): 30 sec
                    Suspend after: (On AC Power): 10 min
                    Suspend after: (On Battery Power): 5 min
                    Screen saver: Disabled

                    Balanced and the disabled Hibernation and to Never and screensaver are okay but some of those other settings could have been set by a lunatic, change them all to never, computers not in use should be just be turned off, less use of electricity + a computer turned off cannot misbehave.
                    Running: Malwarebytes Service
                    Running: McAfee WebAdvisor

                    There is evidence of there having been multiple AVs installed and then not correctly uninstalled.
                    Stopped: MBVpnTunnelService

                    Using a VPN stuffs up an internet connection at the best of times but it is worse when you are using a wireless connection.
                    Physical Memory
                    [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Memory Usage: 77 %

                    The above is the main cause of your problems imho.

                    Your MTB log supports the above in the fact that Windows, Windows Defender and Firewall are all having issues and the high memory usage is a typical symptom of having multiple AVs or scraps of them left behind.

                    You have a fair bit of work to do and in all honesty I would start afresh.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]

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                    • phillpower2
                      PCHF Administrator
                      • Sep 2016
                      • 15209

                      #25
                      From Speccy, things that we can see that are wrong;
                      Operating System
                      Windows 11 Home 64-bit
                      Computer type: Virtual
                      [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Installation Date: 3/4/2025 3:04:33 AM

                      Windows is shown to be a recent install and a lazy one at that, called lazy as rather than it be done properly the system has just been allowed to work using Windows own generic drivers and random downloads, how it should have been done and for as to why is explained in my canned info below;
                      Once Windows has been clean installed you must then install first the MBs chipset drivers then the storage/SATA drivers and third the graphics drivers, the drivers can either come from a disk provided by the motherboard manufacturer [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]** or downloaded from their site and saved to a flash drive etc, this is a must and Windows should not be allowed to check for updates before it has been done as more often than not Windows installs the wrong drivers or in the incorrect order and this can cause all sorts of problems.

                      The reason why this procedure is so important, the chipset is what enables the MB to be able to communicate with all the hardware + are the first drivers that Windows looks for on boot.

                      [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]** For OEM computers/notebooks such as Acer, Dell, HP and Lenovo etc you must only download drivers from their support page, OEMs may sometimes redirect users to a third party site such as AMD or Nvidea to obtain the latest drivers for their GPUs, this tends to be for high end gaming notebooks and desktops though.
                      Power Profile
                      Active power scheme: Balanced
                      Hibernation: Disabled
                      Turn Off Monitor after: (On AC Power): 10 min
                      Turn Off Monitor after: (On Battery Power): 5 min
                      Turn Off Hard Disk after: (On AC Power): 30 sec
                      Turn Off Hard Disk after: (On Battery Power): 30 sec
                      Suspend after: (On AC Power): 10 min
                      Suspend after: (On Battery Power): 5 min
                      Screen saver: Disabled

                      Balanced and the disabled Hibernation and to Never and screensaver are okay but some of those other settings could have been set by a lunatic, change them all to never, computers not in use should be just be turned off, less use of electricity + a computer turned off cannot misbehave.
                      Running: Malwarebytes Service
                      Running: McAfee WebAdvisor

                      There is evidence of there having been multiple AVs installed and then not correctly uninstalled.
                      Stopped: MBVpnTunnelService

                      Using a VPN stuffs up an internet connection at the best of times but it is worse when you are using a wireless connection.
                      Physical Memory
                      [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Memory Usage: 77 %

                      The above is the main cause of your problems imho.

                      Your MTB log supports the above in the fact that Windows, Windows Defender and Firewall are all having issues and the high memory usage is a typical symptom of having multiple AVs or scraps of them left behind.

                      You have a fair bit of work to do and in all honesty I would start afresh.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]

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                      • 7055
                        PCHF Member
                        • Jul 2025
                        • 13

                        #26
                        start afresh as in like reinstall windows? If I take it to a professional, what should I tell them to do?

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                        • 7055
                          PCHF Member
                          • Jul 2025
                          • 13

                          #27
                          start afresh as in like reinstall windows? If I take it to a professional, what should I tell them to do?

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                          • PeterOz
                            PCHF Technical Response Team
                            • Mar 2021
                            • 4191

                            #28
                            Originally posted by 7055
                            If I take it to a professional, what should I tell them to do?
                            You won’t have to take it any where. @phillpower2 will step you through the process

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                            • PeterOz
                              PCHF Technical Response Team
                              • Mar 2021
                              • 4191

                              #29
                              Originally posted by 7055
                              If I take it to a professional, what should I tell them to do?
                              You won’t have to take it any where. @phillpower2 will step you through the process

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                              • phillpower2
                                PCHF Administrator
                                • Sep 2016
                                • 15209

                                #30
                                Peter is correct in that you do not need to take this to anyone else, Microsoft have an easy to follow tutorial for you here

                                As is suggested there I would recommend the keep my files option, once done, avoid downloading and/or installing anything for as long as possible because that is the only way that you will know if you have the original performance back.

                                Let us know how it goes or if you have any questions along the way.

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