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Slytod

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While at my girlfriend house, we get issues trying to connect mobile devices to the internet. She has her mobile, I have a mobile and tablet. All exhibit the same problems. Sometimes it will connect as if there’s nothing wrong, at other times one can be ages, trying and retrying, again and again, just to get the same utter nonsense failure messages.

Sometimes we try ‘auto connect’, and other times ‘manual connect’.

Sometimes it ignores the press to connect and does nothing. At other times it will state that we need to sign in; which is a nonsense because under normal action the mobile device sorts it out for itself with her router. If one then presses to "sign in" it is just goes to the same infuriating page saying that it can’t connect to the Internet (oh really, I’d never have guessed).

Other times it will make out it is trying to connect, spends ages checking the Internet connection (which it clearly does not need to do as the desktop is finding the Internet ok (most of the time) and it has no problems). Then says It’s connected without Internet, which is utterly useless since the reason to connect to the Internet is to be on the Internet !

We had 2 routers here, a Thomson provided by the Internet supplier, and a BT smart modem which she bought on an earlier occasion when the Thomson seemed to be having issues; but it turned out then to be no different. We have tried both, they both result in the same issues.

I borrowed a spare router from my sister, but found I could not use it as it needed a username & password and she had forgotten what they might be.

Then I brought back 2 routers from my place which have not been used since I changed my internet connection to a faster one, having been told by BT that I could still use them on the faster connection but it would be at a slower speed; only to find out they had lied to me and I needed the BT smart router. Turned out I could not use them either since I also have no idea what the username & passwords are. They must be saved somewhere but after so many years, I've no idea where.

So nothing we have been able to swap in has changed the situation.

I did try to look at settings for router and devices, as I saw some things about MAC addresses and other mysterious stuff, but the reality is I don’t have the knowledge/experience to make head nor tail of those aspects, and they’d probably end up being nothing to do with it anyway.

It is all extremely frustrating. Any help with it would be greatly appreciated.

(And if anyone knows a solution to the secondary problem of having routers without recalling what the username/password is that would be great also.)

Thanks.

Anyone have any ideas ?
 
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if you do not know your internet account username/password, only your provider can reset that for you, even they usually have no access to tell you the current details, but they can reset.

if it's the modem access you are after, and cannot guess, then you will need to hold in the recessed reset button located somewhere on the modem.

what sort of internet connection do you have; ADSL, fibre, cable?
 
Hi. The Internet account details are known, it's the router user/password that isn't remembered. However someone suggested there may be a return to factory settings button: this will be the reset you refer to. They do, but I've yet to try it yet. I intended to do so today but time flew. Another task for the morning.
 
Does the modem have WiFi?

Does the same issue happen if you connect to the router via cable?

Do ither system(s) have issues connection to any other WiFi?
 
It's mainly the WiFi that's used and that's the path we notice. I'm not saying the desktop never has issues but I suspect that it's unaffected by this issue.

The mobile devices have no problem connecting to my router when at my place. Never used to have this issue at my girlfriend's either, but this has been going on for a long time now.
 
I'll do that when I'm next at the desktop.

I've run the base command before to get the page address. Last time was with the router I brought from mine and had 'reset'; got to the bit where it asked for username and password again. Realised I didn't know the default, and that I'd since I'd changed router had no Net access, guessed admin & {blank} to no joy. Later found out that router needed admin & password. Not retried since.
 

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The WiFi is permanently on. Unsure the desktop would see it. Can't use window/DOS commands on Android surely.

Meanwhile, managed to get one of my routers connected. It drops out for ages too so that's 3 of them all the same; it can't be the routers causing it, surely. And since all mobiles/tablet exhibit the same problem, that seems to exonerate them.
 
Can you clarify about what you mean by mobile?

Laptop with Windows or Linux or Mac or Google or Android?

No unless the desktop has a WiFi it will not see it.
 
Time to ask the stupid questions. Are you sure you are connecting to the correct SSID.
What modem is connected now - make and model.
If there is more than one SSID when you look in the wifi list.
Can you log in to this modem/router and see what SSID it is broadcasting and change the SSID to something different e.g slytod
As Rusy asked exactly what are you trying to connect Tablets ,phones, laptops etc.
also make such as apple or samsung or android.
 
Mobile: anything that needs the WiFi, presently 2 "smart" phones and 1 tablet; all Samsung running Android. You mentioned a laptop and I was about to say there wasn't one, but yes, there is one that's rarely used, that uses Windows. As it's not commonly used we've not yet had the opportunity to see if it has the same issue.

Regarding SSID. Not recalling what it does. One sets these things up as instructed at the time and doesn't think much about it afterwards. The 2 modems she had have worked fine in the past so I've no reason to believe they've changed.

I'll have to go up and look a little later today in order to answer your other questions, but the router presently active is the spare I brought; a Netgear. The 2 she has is the BT smart router and the provided Thomson one.

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Netgear N600 (ADSL + Modem Router DGND3700)
BT Smart Hub Type A
Thomson TG585 v7

At present the Netgear is set to "Auto" for the 2.4 GHz network, and channel 36 for the 5GHz network.
 
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That clears up so much when you stated mobile was thinking computer not phone.

An SSID (service set identifier) is the primary name associated with an 802.11 wireless local area network.

Why not just use the wireless function off the modem and disconnect the router?
 
Mobile is both "smart" phones and a tablet (and as mentioned, a laptop, which I'd forgotten about as it's been switched off).

Think you've lost me now. Surely I need the router part to connect both WiFi and cable connected devices to the phone/broadband socket on the wall ? Unsure how to split the functions anyway.
 
Yes it has built in WiFi. That's what's going wrong. But I still need to connect to the desktop and to the network via the wall socket. Isn't that the router bit ? I still don't get this idea of splitting them and only using the WiFi part.
 
Since you have the netgear connected your ssid you connected to should also have changed and it should have asked for a new password
when you tried to connect. If you did not change ssid and password on your phone /tablet to connect to the internet that could be the problem.
On the Netgear router
To change your WiFi password or network name (SSID):

  1. Launch an Internet browser and type http://www.routerlogin.net into the address bar.
  2. Enter the router user name and password when prompted.
    The default user name is admin. The default password is password.
  3. Click OK.
    The BASIC Home page displays.
  4. Select Wireless.
  5. Enter your new network name in the Name (SSID) field. Something unique and that is obvious
  6. Enter your new password in the Password (Network Key) fields.
  7. Click the Apply button.
    Your changes are saved.
Then use a phone or tablet or if you can the laptop would be best to see the new ssid name, (pic for phone & laptop attached)
Connect that and see how it performs.
 

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Yes it has built in WiFi. That's what's going wrong. But I still need to connect to the desktop and to the network via the wall socket. Isn't that the router bit ? I still don't get this idea of splitting them and only using the WiFi part.
What you have is an all in one so all is good.
They used to sell modems only - no wifi just a cable connection. If you wanted wi-fi you had to then buy and connect a router.
As you stated in your post
We had 2 routers here, a Thomson provided by the Internet supplier, and a BT smart modem which she bought on an earlier occasion when the Thomson seemed to be having issues; but it turned out then to be no different. We have tried both, they both result in the same issues.
So the assumption was you were using a separate modem and router OR you were using an all in one and had attached another separate router.
 
I now have 5 routers here. But they are all router/modems. All I've tried (3 or them) show the same issue.

As mentioned, at present the Netgear is set to "Auto" for the 2.4 GHz network, so I'm unsure what change your latest suggestion will make, but I'll run through it all later today to ensure it's tried. (At present it already runs with a name identical to the network at my place so that's a change that already occured. Plus this morning we figured that her sat nav may need it's WiFi settings updating if it is to auto update, so that's a fifth mobile device.)

Worth noting that this is an intermittent problem not a permanent disconnect.
 
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t present it already runs with a name identical to the network at my place so that's a change that already occured
If it is a SSID that you know you are connected to the correct one then you do not have to change it now.
The whole idea was to be 100% certain you were connecting to the correct modem/router.
This is from Netgear From Here
If your wireless devices are disconnecting from your WiFi network regularly, you might have a problem with your WiFi network name (also called SSID).

Two different WiFi network name problems can cause disconnection issues:

  • Using a common or default WiFi network name, such as one of the following:
    • Netgear
    • Orbi
    • Wireless
    • 2wire
    • Dlink
    • Linksys
    If you use one of these network names, your wireless devices might connect to a different nearby WiFi network with the same name as yours.
  • Using different network names for the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands of your WiFi network.
 
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