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  • ayz
    PCHF Member
    • Oct 2022
    • 15

    #1

    Microfreezing/Stuttering after upgrading PC specs

    Hello,

    I’ve been gone from home for a week, and I came back to my computer not booting up.
    After trying relatively everything to make it boot, nothing worked so my guess is that something happened like a power surge, which could have killed my power supply, it was a cheap one so it might be possible.

    I thought it would be a good opportunity to upgrade my PC, so I changed the motherboard, the power supply and the cooling system. Here are my current specs :
    [ul]
    [li]Processor : Intel(R) Core™ i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz [/li][li]RAM : 16 GB[/li][li]Video Card : GeForce GTX 1080[/li][li]Motherboard : Asrock Z370 Extreme4[/li][li]Power Supply : Corsair RM850[/li][li]Cooling system : Corsair H100i Elite Capellix[/li][li]OS : Windows 10 64-bit[/li][/ul]
    However, after installing everything and booting the machine, I’ve realised that every now and then, around every 5 seconds, i get microfreezes/stuttering. Note that both video and audio are freezing. It is not a blackscreen, really just a freeze. It happens everytime, everywhere ; on my desktop, watching a video, in game…
    It never happened before my PC not being able to boot.

    I unactivated my videocard and booted my PC with only the Intel UHD Graphics, and those problem were still there, so i doubt it might be related to the graphic card.
    I booted my PC with each RAM by itself and the problem was still there, so i doubt it might be related to the RAM.
    My PC temps are all perfectly fine.
    The power management is on performance.
    I updated every driver.
    Every Windows Updates are done.
    My BIOS Settings are all factory-set.
    UserBenchmark detects over-usage of background CPU.
    sfc /scannow didn’t find anything.
    memtest86 didn’t find anything.

    So here’s my questioning : Did I messed up while plugging anything? Might the power surge have affected the processor, causing this? Can this be related to the motherboard?
  • phillpower2
    PCHF Administrator
    • Sep 2016
    • 15205

    #2
    One thing that you do not mention having done is clean installing Windows and the system drivers, were both done and the first drivers to be installed the chipset drivers.

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    • phillpower2
      PCHF Administrator
      • Sep 2016
      • 15205

      #3
      Abandoned thread, closed.

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      • phillpower2
        PCHF Administrator
        • Sep 2016
        • 15205

        #4
        Thread reopened at request of OP.

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        • ayz
          PCHF Member
          • Oct 2022
          • 15

          #5
          Originally posted by phillpower2
          One thing that you do not mention having done is clean installing Windows and the system drivers, were both done and the first drivers to be installed the chipset drivers.
          I just did a clean install of Windows, which didn’t resolve the problem.
          After installing Windows, I went to install the chipset drivers but the latest driver was already installed.
          I did a repair of the driver with the intel tool but it didn’t resolve it.

          Am I supposed to uninstall any drivers and clean install them? How to do it?

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          • phillpower2
            PCHF Administrator
            • Sep 2016
            • 15205

            #6
            Originally posted by ayz
            After installing Windows, I went to install the chipset drivers but the latest driver was already installed.
            Not possible as Windows does not write the chipset drivers for MBs only the maker of the MB does that, this suggests that you may have allowed Windows to update before installing the chipset drivers and that is bad.

            Once Windows has been clean installed you must then install first the MBs chipset drivers, then the storage/SATA drivers and third the graphics drivers, the drivers can either come from a disk provided by the motherboard manufacturer or downloaded from their site and saved to a flash drive etc, this is a must and Windows should not be allowed to check for updates before it has been done as more often than not Windows installs the wrong drivers or in the incorrect order and this can cause all sorts of problems.

            Download then run Speccy (free) and post the resultant url for us, details here, this will provide us with information about your computer hardware + any software that you have installed that may explain the present issue/s.

            To publish a Speccy profile to the Web:

            In Speccy, click File, and then click Publish Snapshot.

            In the Publish Snapshot dialog box, click Yes to enable Speccy to proceed.

            Speccy publishes the profile and displays a second Publish Snapshot. You can open the URL in your default browser, copy it to the clipboard, or close the dialog box.

            [COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)]Can I ask that you do not quote every reply as we have to read the full post to make sure nothing gets missed, thanks.[/COLOR]

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            • ayz
              PCHF Member
              • Oct 2022
              • 15

              #7
              Following your advices, here’s what has been done :
              • Clean installed Windows
              • Unallowed Windows Update for 7 days
              • Installed MB chipset drivers, then storage/SATA drivers, all from the MB website, rebooting PC everytime an installer required it
              • Installed graphics drivers

              Stuttering is still there.

              *Speccy snapshot : http://speccy.piriform.com/results/p...Mpri78HwMGrn4p

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              • phillpower2
                PCHF Administrator
                • Sep 2016
                • 15205

                #8
                Couple of problems both with your update and what we can see in Speccy.
                Originally posted by ayz
                • Unallowed Windows Update for 7 days
                That is not what was advised nor is it recommended.
                Originally posted by ayz
                Installed MB chipset drivers, then storage/SATA drivers, all from the MB website,
                Speccy is telling us that not one driver has been installed only that Windows was (15/10/2022 22:39:50)

                Where did you save the drivers to.

                Why are you using CCleaner.

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                • ayz
                  PCHF Member
                  • Oct 2022
                  • 15

                  #9
                  Ok so I did it again, this time without touching at Windows Update.

                  Every drivers are downloaded on my desktop and installed under C:



                  I had installed CCleaner by error, thinking that it was Speccy, as the link above redirected to CCleaner. I didn’t install it this time.

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                  • phillpower2
                    PCHF Administrator
                    • Sep 2016
                    • 15205

                    #10
                    Still not showing any drivers having been installed for some reason :unsure:

                    If you look at your Speccy report under Hotfixes you will see a single Windows cumulative update whereas you should see the following having been installed first - INF driver ver:10.1.17765.8094 - second ASMedia SATA3 driver ver:3.2.3.0000 then VGA driver ver:26.20.100.6911_DCH_PV.

                    Try installing them drivers, once done run Speccy to see if they are shown to have been installed then get back to us.

                    In addition to the above,
                    Originally posted by ayz
                    I unactivated my videocard and booted my PC with only the Intel UHD Graphics, and those problem were still there, so i doubt it might be related to the graphic card.
                    Can you tell us how you " unactivated " the video card.
                    Originally posted by ayz
                    After trying relatively everything to make it boot, nothing worked so my guess is that something happened like a power surge, which could have killed my power supply, it was a cheap one so it might be possible.
                    What happened exactly.

                    Were you overclocking anything, if yes, what.

                    What is the brand and model name or number of this cheap PSU, the most important part of a PC and people go cheap when the PSU is the item that has the potential to cause the most damage when it begins to weaken or goes bang completely.

                    The behaviour that you describe is typical of hardware that has been poorly powered or/and a bad OC.

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                    • phillpower2
                      PCHF Administrator
                      • Sep 2016
                      • 15205

                      #11
                      Please tell me that you did not open up the PSU.

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                      • ayz
                        PCHF Member
                        • Oct 2022
                        • 15

                        #12
                        The old one (shown on picture above) is opened that ive shown it

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                        • phillpower2
                          PCHF Administrator
                          • Sep 2016
                          • 15205

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ayz
                          I’m pretty sure good PSU dont have to be opened just to unplug them from a motherboard…
                          You don`t as even when unplugged from the mains a PSU can hold enough charge to kill a person, hence why you should not be opening one up.

                          That PSU could only produce 385W and even that is questionable, bottom line is, don`t be surprised if that junk PSU has damaged all the original hardware, a minimum of a 500W Gold efficiency rated should have been used for the GPU that you have.
                          Originally posted by ayz
                          The PC was a prebuildt from DELL
                          You should have mentioned this in your OP as it could have saved you and me an awful lot of time.

                          Dell components are not the same as what you get off the shelves, they get modified to use less power, the BIOS on your original MB was written to recognise your CPU and the GPU was dumbed down so that a weaker PSU could be used, 450W to be exact.

                          The Dell GPU problem is two fold, you cannot use Nvidea drivers for the card and likewise the Dell drivers for the GPU could cause your system to crash

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                          • ayz
                            PCHF Member
                            • Oct 2022
                            • 15

                            #14
                            Thank you for your information

                            Sorry for not letting you know earlier that it was a prebuildt, I didn’t except it to have such consequences.

                            So if i understood, the dell GPU used isn’t compatible with the new hardware, so I got to get a new “normal” GPU?

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                            • phillpower2
                              PCHF Administrator
                              • Sep 2016
                              • 15205

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ayz
                              So if i understood, the dell GPU used isn’t compatible with the new hardware, so I got to get a new “normal” GPU?
                              As per the explanation in my reply #14;
                              Originally posted by phillpower2
                              The Dell GPU problem is two fold, you cannot use Nvidea drivers for the card and likewise the Dell drivers for the GPU could cause your system to crash
                              The above is a secondary problem for now being that the issue is still present when the onboard video is being used instead of the GPU.
                              Originally posted by ayz
                              I booted my PC with each RAM by itself and the problem was still there, so i doubt it might be related to the RAM.
                              Was the GPU still in the MB when you tried each stick of RAM separately, if yes, remove the GPU from the PCI-E slot and repeat the same tests that you did with the RAM, if the issue still happens, try starting the computer in Safe Mode only (No Networking) while you are testing the RAM sticks one at a time when using the MBs video and the GPU still out of the PC altogether.

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