Laptop Update

[Antoine]

ok this is gonna be a really dumb question but Im gonna ask anyway. There are two cooling assemblies which you say are the two fans. Each cooling assembly (thus each fan) has two surfaces, the chip and the plate. So youre saying the plate is the bottom of the fan and the fans plate sits on the chip? Cause Im sure thats not what the picture suggests.

[Antman]

The fan is wholly separate from the cooling plate. The cooling plate, the fan, and in some cases, mounting gear, are a cooling assembly. Without reviewing anything I posted earlier, I will stipulate that I often refer to the cooling assembly as ‘the fan’. My bad.

I do not know if I used a picture of a laptop that is a 100% match for your laptop. If you posted a photo of your laptop, I would be better able to be more specific.

[Antman]

https://pchelpforum.net/t/laptop-update.20678/#post-39289

Cooling is a system, not a component. Treat a failure of a component as a failure of the system. Repair the system.
My analysis is valid and complete.

Do as you see fit.

[Antoine]

Ok I dont know if this problem is related. But today when I got off work I turned on my laptop (yes it get turned off now) it got to the Windows login screen. I got ready to type in my password then the screen went black and laptop shut down (now keep in mind its been off 12+ hours so has had LOTS of time to cool down). So I turn it back on and this time during start up (before it even gets to the windows screen) it starts beeping LOUDLY… and I dont mean those small quiet startup beeps most PCs make. I mean fire/burgular alarm sounding LOUD beeps. So I quickly held the power button down to turn it off in fear.

Then I looked it up online to see if anything was said about it. Apparently the number of beeps tells you what the problem is, though I dont know if theyre referring to the small silent pc startup beeps I mentioned before or if they are talking about the LOUD beeps I heard.

So I turned it on again to count the beeps. It beeped loudly 5 times then. “Preparing automatic repair” came up, followed by “diagnosing your pc” once it got to that screen I held the power button again and turned it off. As Im afraid that if it DOES fix anything that fix is gonna consist of me losing tons of data on my hard drive that I cant afford to.

Now Im hoping that first shutdown during windows login was just due to overheating. But if that were the case it’s shut down once or twice in the past then worked just fine with no beeping or “preparing automatic repair”

But if so then why would it choose to get worried about overheating now when its worked just fine all this time with the issue its had? I could see if one of both of the fans died completely and thus arent spinning thus automatic overheat.. which would explain why it shut down during login. However I can hear both fans spinning just fine (kinda hard not too with as loud as they are and one that sounds like a motor).

I really hope the issue is just heat and everything will boot up fine and go back to normal once the fans and paste have been replaced. It would truly suck if my laptop kicked the bucket literally the day before the items needed to fix it are too be delivered.

The fact that it at least starts up at tries auto repair gives me SOME hope. I mean a dead laptop (or one that couldnt be fixed) wouldnt power on (or it would power on but not try to boot up/auto repair) at all right?

[Antman]

The beeps are wholly independent from Windows. It is the hardware itself reporting an error detected in POST - prior to Windows loading. Seeing the PC progress to Windows is a good sign. It could be minor - RAM changed, fan not spinning, as examples.

I will need a few minutes to identify the BIOS and BEEP code table.

Please confirm:
Did you perform ANY work on the fans / cooling assembly?
If yes, describe.

[Antoine]

I wouldnt say progressing to “begining automatic repair” a good sign. Sounds pretty bad to me. Also these werent standard POST beeps, these were LOUD beeps, as in cover your ears loud. POST beeps arent that loud and the fans are spinning. My guess would be. The PC had been operating at these “borderline” temps for so long the CPU finally said “enough is enough” (or to put it another way… theres only so long you can torture something before it eventually breaks)

No work has been done. That wont happen til tomorrow

[Antman]

@vger
I will identify BIOS and error code table. I am 10-10.

[Antman]

Does this describe your 5 beeps?

[MEDIA=youtube]8O38fqv4ohI[/MEDIA]

[Antman]

I cannot find a published example of a five beep error code that matches the OP report. AMIBIOS 5 beep code = CPU failure. POST handed off to boot.
Probably not a 5 beep POST error.

AMIBIOS does list a siren tone for CPU fan failure. Published description does not state if siren tone is constant or patterned.
CPU fan failure is consistent with reported affect and would POST pass to boot.

Recommend proceed to fan replacement.

[Antoine]

The sound in the video sounds more like a siren. My sound is just 5 extremely loud non siren like beeps. However just now I turned on the laptop to record the sound for you but. No beeps this time and it got to the windows login screen (so no. “Preparing automatic repair” or “diagnosing your pc” this time). But I turned it off before going any further. So I now feel much better about replacing the fans and paste tomorrow

[DOUGIE]

In a AMIBIOS, 5 beeps denotes “Process Failure”

[Antman]

In a AMIBIOS, 5 beeps denotes “Process Failure”

Someone misspelled ‘processor’.

[DOUGIE]

[ATTACH]3260[/ATTACH]

[Antman]

Someone at American Megatrends misspelled processor. It happens.

Also note, that is not an AMI source document.

[DOUGIE]

So! What.
Doesn’t mean it is completely wrong.
Information is C/P all over the net.