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  • Paulik
    PCHF Member
    • Dec 2024
    • 8

    #1

    No display, CPU and GPU fans don't spin. Very old PC

    Hi guys, my very old PC rig, which someone from my family currently uses, has broken. Two days ago, a green screen appeared (a whole display in one color). After reset there was no display, just info on the monitor: “Out of range” or something like that. When I turn on the computer, the fans on the GPU start and stop. Case fans and PSU fan work correctly. I thought it might be a GPU failure but I remember that last time when the previous GPU failed, the motherboard gave some sound codes that this is a GPU matter. This time there are no beeps when everything is plugged. I did some tests and here are the results:
    1. I removed the GPU and turned on the computer, the mobo gave one long and one short beep. I read in the manual that this indicates memory or motherboard failure.
      2, I removed two RAM sticks, same behavior as above
    2. I placed two remaining RAM sticks in different slots and mobo gave continuous short beeps, which according to the manual indicates a power error…
    3. There were the same continuous short beeps when I inserted GPU again (with RAM configuration as in point 3)

    I don’t know which part failed, because I suspected GPU failure but the sound error codes misled me totally and I’m confused about what should I replace.
    PC conf:
    Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-H55M-USB3
    Processor- Intel Core i5 750
    GPU - Sapphire Radeon R7 250X VAPOR-X 2GB
    Memory - I cant identify exactly, there are four sticks and I had 8 GB of RAM. Maybe KINGSTON DDR3 4x 2GB
    PSU - BeQuiet Straightpower E7 600 W
    SSD - Samsung 840 EVO 250 GB
    HDD - WD Blue 1 TB
  • veeg
    PCHF Director
    • Jul 2016
    • 8977

    #2
    Hello

    Reseat your memory sticks and see if that helps.

    @PeterOz

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    • Bruce
      PCHF Member
      • Oct 2017
      • 10697

      #3
      Out of range is usually when someone has cranked up the display resolution for the graphics card beyond what the screen can handle.
      Sounds like you tried removing the GPU and plugging the monitor into the motherboard graphics port.

      What is your OS?
      If Win7, get in Safe Mode by repeatedly hitting F8 as the PC starts.
      If Win10 or Win11, start the PC and as it starts hold in the power button to shut it down. Repeat that three times and it will go into Advanced Startup Options.
      Use that to restart in Safe Mode.

      Once in Safe Mode you could either try getting into Display Settings and changing the screen resolution, or go into Programs & Features and uninstall the graphics driver.

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      • PeterOz
        PCHF Technical Response Team
        • Mar 2021
        • 4181

        #4
        If the above does not work.
        Power off and clear the cmos
        Page 7 and 31. https://download1.gigabyte.com/Files...a28657e5a5a42c
        Can you put the graphics card into another slot on the Motherboard

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        • Paulik
          PCHF Member
          • Dec 2024
          • 8

          #5
          I did what you asked for and:
          1. Reseating memory - nothing changed
          2. I tried to boot into win10 safe mode but the “Out of range” message persists
          3. I cleared CMOS. The computer started, made one beep, and then restarted but the issue persists

          I can’t put the GPU into another slot, because I would have to unplug all hard drives and unplug the power button

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          • phillpower2
            PCHF Administrator
            • Sep 2016
            • 15205

            #6
            Have you tried an alternative video cable.

            [COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)]Edit to add: I forgot to ask, do you have an alternative PSU that you can swap in for testing purposes.
            Originally posted by Paulik
            I can’t put the GPU into another slot, because I would have to unplug all hard drives and unplug the power button
            Physically remove the add on GPU from the PCI-E slot on the MB and put it to one side.

            Put just one stick of RAM in the slot nearest to the CPU.

            Connect the screen to the appropriate video port on the MB.

            Connect a keyboard.

            Connect the power cord, turn on the power, post back with an update.

            Just a fyi, if you get an out of range or a No Signal message on a monitor it means that the screen is okay and that the problem is with the source of the video or/and the cable that carries the video signal.

            In addition to the above, not all BIOS beep codes are the same and VRam failure on a GPU can also result in two error beeps and likewise removing an add on GPU can cause the same beep pattern and this again down to no VRam being detected during POST.[/COLOR]

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            • phillpower2
              PCHF Administrator
              • Sep 2016
              • 15205

              #7
              Originally posted by Paulik
              I did what you asked
              What about what I asked and suggested, I offered you a chance of getting video back but you left no feedback despite you revisiting the forum.

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              • Paulik
                PCHF Member
                • Dec 2024
                • 8

                #8
                Sorry, I didn’t have time before to try what you suggested. I looked at the thread to see whether some other responses appeared.
                I tried the HDMI cable, and there is no display at all. There isn’t even an “Out of range” message.
                Unfortunately, I don’t have an alternative PSU.
                Originally posted by phillpower2
                Physically remove the add on GPU from the PCI-E slot on the MB and put it to one side.

                Put just one stick of RAM in the slot nearest to the CPU.

                Connect the screen to the appropriate video port on the MB.

                Connect a keyboard.

                Connect the power cord, turn on the power, post back with an update.
                So should I remove the GPU from PCI-E and try to run with an integrated graphics card in the CPU? If so, then if I remember correctly this CPU does not have integrated GPU.

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                • phillpower2
                  PCHF Administrator
                  • Sep 2016
                  • 15205

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Paulik
                  So should I remove the GPU from PCI-E and try to run with an integrated graphics card in the CPU? If so, then if I remember correctly this CPU does not have integrated GPU.
                  Yes.

                  I do believe that the MBs video ports are supplied via a video chip on the MB and not from on die on the CPU, it wasn’t a thing way back in 2010 when the MB was first released.

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                  • Paulik
                    PCHF Member
                    • Dec 2024
                    • 8

                    #10
                    I removed the GPU and connected the display port cable to MB. No display (without “Out of range” message) and again there were continuous short beeps.

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                    • PeterOz
                      PCHF Technical Response Team
                      • Mar 2021
                      • 4181

                      #11
                      I think the cpu does not support graphics

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                      • phillpower2
                        PCHF Administrator
                        • Sep 2016
                        • 15205

                        #12
                        Originally posted by PeterOz
                        I think the cpu does not support graphics
                        It doesn’t Peter, the MB only supports CPUs that pre date Westmere CPUs which were the first to have on die video such as Intel HD.

                        The MBs user manual is very confusing, the below is some of what it says;
                        [COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)]Onboard Graphics Integrated in the Chipset: (Note 2)
                        • 1 x D-Sub port
                        • 1 x DVI-D port (Note 3) (Note 4)
                        • 1 x HDMI port (Note 4)
                        • 1 x DisplayPort (Note 4)

                        [COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)](Note 2) To use the onboard DisplayPort, HDMI, DVI-D, and D-Sub ports, you must install an Intel CPU with
                        integrated graphics.
                        [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)](Note 4) You can use only one of the onboard digital graphics ports (e.g. DisplayPort, HDMI, and DVI-D) for
                        output when in the BIOS Setup program or when during the POST screens.

                        Am I misreading note 4 which to me suggests that there is a limited video output that does not work outside of the BIOS.

                        Paulik,

                        Can You try the RAM in the second slot away from the CPU for us please, try each one of the four in that slot, do this both with and without the add on GPU in place.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]

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                        • Paulik
                          PCHF Member
                          • Dec 2024
                          • 8

                          #13
                          With GPU:
                          1 stick: Out of range message
                          2 stick: Nothing, just a blank screen
                          3 stick: Out of range message
                          4 stick: Nothing, just a blank screen

                          Without GPU:
                          For all sticks, there were 1 long beep and 1 short beep

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                          • phillpower2
                            PCHF Administrator
                            • Sep 2016
                            • 15205

                            #14
                            Did you try each of the four sticks one at a time in the second slot.

                            Are any of the fans spinning up.

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                            • Paulik
                              PCHF Member
                              • Dec 2024
                              • 8

                              #15
                              I tried one at a time. Only PSU and case fans spin, so nothing changed

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