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  • pcpaul
    PCHF Member
    • Sep 2016
    • 70

    #1

    Desktop PC shuts down

    Hi,
    My mate asked me to look at his PC after it shut down for no apparent reason while he was typing a word document and then wouldn’t re-start. I took out the 2 RAM sticks and re-inserted one then switched on and it seemed ok, re-started/shut down several times over a couple of days and all seemed well. I then added the other RAM and repeated and again all seemed ok.
    He took it back but rang me 20 minutes later saying as soon as he started typing in word it shut down again, so I asked him to bring it back.
    At first, again, it wouldn’t boot so I repeated the steps above and it now seems to work ok, although I haven’t yet re-introduced the second RAM stick. I can open word and type and it doesn’t shut down.
    I know he uses a cordless mouse/keyboard and I’m using USB but don’t know if that could be causing the issue. I’ve run the MiniToolBox and included the log here. Could someone please have a look and see if it gives any clues please?

    Cheers
  • phillpower2
    PCHF Administrator
    • Sep 2016
    • 15209

    #2
    Hello
    Originally posted by pcpaul
    My mate asked me to look at his PC after it shut down for no apparent reason while he was typing a word document and then wouldn’t re-start.
    Often a sign of overheating, what is the full brand and model name or number of the computer, if a custom build post all of the hardware specs for us.

    Various problems showing in the MTB log but not seeing anything that would cause Windows to shut down randomly so this could be hardware or as mentioned overheating, MTB says No minidump file found but can you look to see if there are anyl.
    1. Copy any dmp files from C:\Windows\Minidump onto the desktop.
    2. Select all of them, right-click on one, and click on Send To> New Compressed (zipped) Folder.
    3. Upload the zip folder using the Upload a File tab.

    If no crash dmps available, make sure they are enabled on the computer, how to enable crash dmps steps below;

    Right-click My Computer, then click Properties. click the Advanced tab and then under Startup and Recovery, click Settings (or Startup and Recovery) under write debugging information select small memory dump.

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    • pcpaul
      PCHF Member
      • Sep 2016
      • 70

      #3
      Thanks for taking a look
      There aren’t any minidumps but I’ve now turned them on as per instructions.
      I can’t see how it’s over-heating in this case, I’ve had it running for hours at my house and it never shuts down on it’s own, I shut it down and he took it home after over 10 hours off, yet within 10 minutes at his house it shut down when he was typing in an excel spreadsheet.
      Should I give him it back and see if we get a dump or is there something else I can look at?

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      • pcpaul
        PCHF Member
        • Sep 2016
        • 70

        #4
        Oh sorry, it’s a custom build Intel I5 cpu, 2x4gb RAM sticks (Only one in at the moment) Nvidia GeForce GT610 graphics card

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        • phillpower2
          PCHF Administrator
          • Sep 2016
          • 15209

          #5
          Thanks, need to wait on any crash dmps for now but will reiterate that sudden shutdowns are most often heat related, this unless of course a Windows error code is generated.

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          • pcpaul
            PCHF Member
            • Sep 2016
            • 70

            #6
            I’m perplexed, at his house the computer shuts down within minutes of logging into user account and continually loops trying to re-start and fails. I bring it home plug in my monitor, keyboard and mouse and it boots, logs into user account and everything works normally.
            I followed the instructions to create minidump but the folder is still empty.
            I looked in event monitor and it shows loads of errors saying the file system on the hard drive is corrupt but if that’s the case why is working at my house?
            Could it be anything to do with overloading his electric sockets?

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            • Bruce
              PCHF Moderator
              • Oct 2017
              • 10702

              #7
              why not take your keyboard and mouse (don’t worry about the monitor) to his place to see how that pans out.
              I had something similar about a year ago, long story short, turned out to be their keyboard, replaced it, all the weirdness went away.

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              • pcpaul
                PCHF Member
                • Sep 2016
                • 70

                #8
                Done that, same issue

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                • phillpower2
                  PCHF Administrator
                  • Sep 2016
                  • 15209

                  #9
                  Originally posted by pcpaul
                  I followed the instructions to create minidump but the folder is still empty.
                  You will only get crash dmps if Windows is crashing to a BSOD and then generating a subsequent Stop code and crash dmp, is the computer crashing to a BSOD and displaying any Stop code before it shuts down.

                  What is the brand and model name or number of the PSU, the GT 610 is not too demanding a graphics card but the system and card still needs clean and stable power to be stable.

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                  • pcpaul
                    PCHF Member
                    • Sep 2016
                    • 70

                    #10
                    No blue screen, it just seems to lose power and try to re-boot.

                    PSU: FSP 400-60GLN.

                    I stress again though that it does it at his house but not at mine

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                    • phillpower2
                      PCHF Administrator
                      • Sep 2016
                      • 15209

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pcpaul
                      I looked in event monitor and it shows loads of errors saying the file system on the hard drive is corrupt but if that’s the case why is working at my house?
                      These errors are most likely the result of Windows not being shut down correctly on a regular basis.
                      Originally posted by pcpaul
                      No blue screen, it just seems to lose power and try to re-boot.
                      As said already this and the fact that there are no crash dmps suggest that this is not a problem with Windows.
                      Originally posted by pcpaul
                      I stress again though that it does it at his house but not at mine
                      Fully aware of that but if you have a good clean power supply at your property a weak PSU may get by but if for example your friend has a poor electrical circuit or 4 way socket/adaptor that the computer is hooked up to back home then a weak PSU will be weaker, that PSU btw is almost 9 years old and shouldn’t be trusted in any event.

                      You need to troubleshoot this computer at your friends tbh.

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                      • plodr
                        PCHF Member
                        • Aug 2016
                        • 1021

                        #12
                        What is the computer plugged into at your mate’s home? If it is a power strip on its last legs or one that has lots of things plugged in and exceeding the ratings, that could account for the loss of power.

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                        • phillpower2
                          PCHF Administrator
                          • Sep 2016
                          • 15209

                          #13
                          Any update for us pcpaul?

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                          • phillpower2
                            PCHF Administrator
                            • Sep 2016
                            • 15209

                            #14
                            Any update for us pcpaul? If unreplied to within 48hrs this thread will be closed.

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                            • pcpaul
                              PCHF Member
                              • Sep 2016
                              • 70

                              #15
                              Sorry for delay, I replaced the PSU (Thanks phillpower2) and problem solved.
                              Thanks everyone for helping

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