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Hi everyone,

I have just bought myself some new parts and buidling my new machine. I have treated myself as its been over 7 years since I last upgraded.
I got myself:
Intel i5 7600K
MSI Z270 Gaming M5 motherboard
Crucial 4x 8GB DDR 4 Ram (I know the amount of ram is overkill but honestly you would be shocked at the price I paid hence why I got it)
Define R5 Case
Noctua D15s Cooler
Crucial MX 480GB ssd
Toshiba 2TB Internal HDD

Only thing I have left to get is a good graphics card which I will get soon, just been deciding back n fourth about it.

Anyhow, the most I am going to be doing is a lot of multi tasking, browsing, emails and watching HD/Bluray Movies via MadVR Codec.

I would like to get the best out of my hardware in terms of playing back movies and overall system performance. I know that for games I will need windows 10 but honestly I dont do pc gaming no more, I prefer my xbox. I dont really like windows 10, I have used it on some peoples machines and hated the new layout etc.

Currently I am still using Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and love it.

I would like to know what you all think? Should I jump to windows 10 to get the best out of what I have bought or will it not make a difference if I don't do pc gaming?

Sorry for making this post long and apologies if I have posted this in the wrong section.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Hello

Yes Win 7 is a great OS but as you know it's support is ending in the near future. I know Win 10 still has some bugs in it,with the update issues that has been going on..etc Saying that i have a new pc that came with win 10 and it works good,it is quirky on some software and i don't like the tracking and the update issues which i have not had because i shut down the updates.

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Hello

Yes Win 7 is a great OS but as you know it's support is ending in the near future. I know Win 10 still has some bugs in it,with the update issues that has been going on..etc Saying that i have a new pc that came with win 10 and it works good,it is quirky on some software and i don't like the tracking and the update issues which i have not had because i shut down the updates.

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Thanks for the reply. Yeah I have a feeling they will be cutting support soon as they want everyone to forget windows 7 and 8 so that they are on windows 10. But I guess there is still some time left before they do that. I could just run windows 7 till they do that as by then windows 10 will surely be more stable and better.

However performance wise and for watching movies via madvr codec, is it worth going straight to windows 10 now? Or would you say that there wont be any difference other than windows 7 will run much quicker?
 

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Ok did some research did not see any negative reviews on madvr on win 10 using the latest version. I can't say that madvr would run any slower or faster on Win 10 than on Win 7. One is i never used this codec
IMHO i would wait to see if MS can get those bugs out of the updates and especially via certain mobos,which have had issues to the point some mobos are incompatible with Win 10..
 

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Ok did some research did not see any negative reviews on madvr on win 10 using the latest version. I can't say that madvr would run any slower or faster on Win 10 than on Win 7. One is i never used this codec
IMHO i would wait to see if MS can get those bugs out of the updates and especially via certain mobos,which have had issues to the point some mobos are incompatible with Win 10..
Apart from madvr codec, is there any other benefit performance wise considering what I have just purchased? From what you've told me so far , I get the message that I should best stick with windows 7 till windows 10 is fully compatible, stable and less bugs.

Sorry for asking again, I'm just double making sure that you took in all my new hardware into account for performance too. Just looking to get the best out of my system, I would hate to have not asked and install windows 7 then find out a week later when someone tells me "you should install win 10 mate for your new build, get more out of it with the new cpu features and motherboards features etc which only windows 10 can take advantage of....." lol Then I would have to go with the pain of setting it all up again.

Thanks again for getting back to me so quick though, really appreciate it.
 

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Support for Windows 7 will end in 3 years. That is not the near future.

The problem you will find is trying to buy a legitimate copy of Windows 7. You might be forced to install Win 10 if that is the only version of Windows selling.
 

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Support for Windows 7 will end in 3 years. That is not the near future.

The problem you will find is trying to buy a legitimate copy of Windows 7. You might be forced to install Win 10 if that is the only version of Windows selling.
Thanks for letting me know about that, still plenty of time.

I have a windows 7 Ultimate copy which I have been using for past few years. I know they discontinued this version, think there was some legal case over it can't remember I could be wrong.
But If anything, I will just have a heck of a lot of updates to download and install which is fine apart from the download as sometimes MS servers are really rubbish and take forever considering I'm on fibre and get excellent speeds for downloads on all other sites and apps that I use.
 

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You install 3 updates: follow this guide for the updates
https://www.askwoody.com/2017/installing-win7-from-scratch-kb-3177467-kb-3020369-and-kb-3172605/
then the other updates will not take hours or days to populate.

You can grab the 3 updates from either the download centre or the catalog and install them manually.
Thank you for letting me know about that! I had no idea.

I will read up on that and follow the guide later or tomorrow. I have all my parts delivered. Hopefully build my new machine today after work. I am looking forward to this. Been looking to build a new machine for the past few months and ive just been grabbing the good deals as they came up.

Im going from an old i3 540 straight to kaby lake. This new machine will be flying.
 
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Sounds good..let us know how that build goes.. :)
btw is it worth doing a memtest on my ram or should I only do it if I have problems? Also if I do it then can I run the test with all 4 sticks installed at the same time?
 

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If it was me i would wait for a problem to arise.. I think it would be best to test one at a time but it has been a while since i had to use memtest and the newer versions may let you all ram at the same time.
 

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If it was me i would wait for a problem to arise.. I think it would be best to test one at a time but it has been a while since i had to use memtest and the newer versions may let you all ram at the same time.
cool, thanks Vger :)
 

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Got my new machine built, looking nice! Spent a good half day doing it as I didnt wanna rush since I spent quite a bit. Just finishing off setting up my apps etc.
I took some pics, will upload them as soon as I can.

I can't believe how queit this machine is! Ive not put the panels back on and its honestly it is the quietest pc ever. I have to keep physically checking it to make sure it is on and running okay lol
 
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LOl...sounds like a good build.. :)

So how shall we mark this thread? If you are finished that is..
 

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LOl...sounds like a good build.. :)

So how shall we mark this thread? If you are finished that is..
Erm could you leave it open please? "Houston, we have a problem!"

I have noticed that my display is a bit sluggish. I've tried changing the resolution, refresh rates. Even changed settings on my tv, hrd mode off etc. Its a new samsung 4k uhd smart tv 40" tv that I just recently got. It was fine with my previous machine.

Now I think it could be down 2 reasons, the first thing I noticed is that the driver for intel 630 doesn't work on windows 7 x64 even though intel has one for it which I tried. When I try to install it then it brought up an error "This computer does not meet the minimum system requirements" , which was really strange. I tried it a couple times but the result was the same. So I went and checked intel website again and can see there is an * next to windows7/8 so I scrolled down and seen the list and it only went upto model 620, mine wasnt listed. "D'oh!"

So the driver that I did manage to install and get working was through the MSI Live update app which listed it as a BETA driver. So its possible it could be a driver issue.

I also came across another post elsewhere during my search where someone mentioned that a new kaby lake system wont run well in windows 7 and you have to install windows 10. He also said that there is no graphics driver for the intel 630 for windows 7.

I'm guessing I may need to ditch windows 7 and give windows 10 a try?

Im struggling to find what else it could be. I've even been into the bios and tried to tweak settings, give the gpu more system memory by another 500mb but that didnt do nothing. It feels like its holding my system back. Even watching videos, typing , browsing its just not smooth. I dont know how best to describe it. My system boots up fast and everything is working fine but the display is kinda slow, sluggish. Like theres a heavy layer.

Also a couple times my firefox browser has crashed whilst I was just browsing no downloads just checking videos on my facebook and searching for things on google, and both times it happened out of nowhere the screen would start to kind scramble then if I moved the mouse then it go away but then it would sometimes back again within a few seconds. Was very wierd. Buggy graphics driver perhaps?


I havent overclocked or tuned anything on my system. Everything is at default. I changed the graphics system memory back to default.

Any advice or help would be most appreciated :)

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In the comments a few suggested fixes were posted .
I've had a look again my man but I don't see any fixes or suggestions. All I see in the comments is discussion of intel processors and the 64bit aspect of them , running hot in windows 7 etc.

I dont see anything mention of a fix for anything, nothing mentioned about the integrated graphics either. Sorry if I've missed it and annoying you but I have checked it again just puzzled now.

I am just considering installing windows 10 to give it a chance. Where can I download the genuine windows 10? I would like to to try it out, I assume we get a 30 day trial? If it works better and solves my problem then I will just buy a genuine key to activate it if I decide to keep it.
 
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