Solved Very high power usage + frequent crashes

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ceruleansky

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It is looking likely if only to make sure that the possibility is ruled out.
Okay, will try this when a bit of my urgent work is done.

Can w have a new MTB log and Speccy url
MTB log attached below. (MTB-12th Aug.txt)
Speccy: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/mM0a0NTFM0boU2iPWGhatg1

Please only use the terms crash, crashes and crashing if you see an actual BSOD and Stop Code, if you don`t see this the computer has not crashed but has overheated and shutdown to stop it from frying.
Ah yes of course, there's always a BSOD when I use Enscape though, that's why I mentioned it.. Same stopcode "critical service died".
Or, sometimes the system just freezes for a looong time and I have no option but to long-press the power button.


I would like to update you on these few things -

- One of my friends tried to create a Crash Dump yesterday, but the size of the .dmp is 1.42 gb so I won't be able to send it. We analysed it in windbg - please check if it points to a possible error. (1.5gb MEMORY DUMP ANALYSIS.txt)

- Also a few .dmp files were created yesterday (C:\Windows\Minidump folder), attaching them as well. (Mini dumps 10th Aug.zip)

- Yesterday I tried the Driver Verifier tool (windows) to check if it was a driver issue. (I'm not sure if it was a good idea, but I tried my luck anyway).
Once the verifier started, the laptop kept crashing with a BSOD (even before it restarted completely) in an endless loop. I'm attaching the photo of the BSOD below. (This was the only stopcode that appeared countless times - refer Driver verifier.jpeg). Please let me know your thoughts on this. I tried to find some info about it but I couldn't exactly figure out.

I'm sorry for the late reply, I got a little held up with work.
 

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You are off course free to go and do as you see fit but just so that you know I will not be chiming in again while you are doing anything not suggested here.

Network drivers and Windows corruption are two things that we can see in the MTB log.

Best thing that you can do is to clean install Windows, then the chipset, storage and GPU drivers and strictly in that order, do not install any third party software until Windows has been fully up dated and the system given a good testing either by steps that we provide or by you running stress tests for yourself.
 

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You are off course free to go and do as you see fit but just so that you know I will not be chiming in again while you are doing anything not suggested here.
Noted, thank you :)
Network drivers and Windows corruption are two things that we can see in the MTB log.

Best thing that you can do is to clean install Windows, then the chipset, storage and GPU drivers and strictly in that order, do not install any third party software until Windows has been fully up dated and the system given a good testing either by steps that we provide or by you running stress tests for yourself.
Alright, will do this ASAP. Please let me know how you suggest the testing to be done once windows is reinstalled. :giggle:
 

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Do the suggested steps then run Speccy and MTB and post the new url and log for us to check, if everything looks to be as it should we will move onto the testing which will take no more than an hour or so.
 

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Do the suggested steps then run Speccy and MTB and post the new url and log for us to check, if everything looks to be as it should we will move onto the testing which will take no more than an hour or so.
(y) will get back to you with these on Monday hopefully. Thanks!
 

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Hey there. I may get time to reinstall windows tomorrow! I had a question though - the last time I used the "remove everything, keep nothing option" while reinstalling. But all my files in the other drives (two drives except C:) were intact. Do you think those files should be removed as well when I reinstall this time?

But there was no option (at least I didn't notice) that allowed me to clean up those drives as well.
 

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Uninstall rendering software with >> revo uninstaller free
Also disable hibernation, see whether you get a bluescreen.
So most of the blue screens come up while the rendering is going on.. other than that, only while 3d modelling it *sometimes* happens, or when I'm multitasking with these software in background.

While using any other software/apps, no crashing/bsod occurs.

When the rendering software wasn't installed, there were no BSODs.
 

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Just clean install Windows and the chipset, storage and RTX 2060 GPU drivers on the C: drive and nothing else.

Question, why is your boot drive shown to be RAID enabled.

No rush on my behalf as I may not be around now until Wednesday.
 

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Just clean install Windows and the chipset, storage and RTX 2060 GPU drivers on the C: drive and nothing else.
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Question, why is your boot drive shown to be RAID enabled.
Okay, I don't know about this one! Any chance that the laptop came this way when I purchased it? I haven't touched the bios so I'm not sure how that got enabled..

No rush on my behalf as I may not be around now until Wednesday.
Oh okay :) thank you. Will discuss after you're back!

Today, I did two things -
1. I disabled all Background Apps in settings
2. I switched to another power socket/outlet.
These two weirdly lengthened the duration between crashes.
I was rendering a medium sized model continuously for 4+ hours, video exports and all going on, and it was on charging too! It was super heated up but no freezing or crashing at all. I think in the 5th hour when I was exporting a 1 minute video, that's when it crashed with a "critical process died".

I'll reinstall windows anyway, but just wanted to check with you if this is indicative of any other issue as well.
 

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Question, why is your boot drive shown to be RAID enabled.
Okay, I don't know about this one! Any chance that the laptop came this way when I purchased it?

You have clean installed Windows since you purchased the notebook so perhaps you installed RAID drivers afterwards.

The underlaying issue that you are having is heat, generic notebooks are just not really cut out for your intended use, high end notebooks for example have a heatsink and cooling fan atop of both the CPU and the dedicated GPU, this helps to keep the temperatures far lower than what is going on with your notebook.

As an asides, your charger has to be connected whenever you put the notebook under load, the GPU will not get enough power otherwise.
 

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You have clean installed Windows since you purchased the notebook so perhaps you installed RAID drivers afterwards.
:( oh. I wonder if it gets clubbed with another driver?

The underlaying issue that you are having is heat, generic notebooks are just not really cut out for your intended use, high end notebooks for example have a heatsink and cooling fan atop of both the CPU and the dedicated GPU, this helps to keep the temperatures far lower than what is going on with your notebook.
Ohh I see.. Even though the laptop has two fans it happens? :(

As an asides, your charger has to be connected whenever you put the notebook under load, the GPU will not get enough power otherwise.
Got it!

Also, I just clean installed Windows 10. Then installed Chipset, Storage and GPU drivers from Acer website. Now the windows updates are done.
Please find the speccy url here http://speccy.piriform.com/results/2I1Toey4G0VqjDMxuPFwgpk

Also attaching MTB in a bit.
Thanks for your patience!
 

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MTB. (I don't know why it isn't showing up in the previous message though it's attached!)
 

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Raid drivers have to be selected for installation, this because so few people in the world even use RAID.

Having two fans you would expect the computer to be able to handle the heat better, obviously not and most likely due to how thin the computer is, no room for good airflow inside so even more important that you make sure that the air being sucked in is as cold as possible.

Your Speccy url does not work I`m afraid.

The main errors in MTB are the notebook shutting down and you having an unlicensed version of Windows, see the below;


Error: (08/21/2021 01:40:38 AM) (Source: Software Protection Platform Service) (User: )
Description: License Activation (slui.exe) failed with the following error code:
hr=0x80072EE7

Command-line arguments:
RuleId=31e71c49-8da7-4a2f-ad92-45d98a1c79ba;Action=AutoActivate;AppId=55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f;SkuId=ed799377-74b8-4989-a244-14d082e65972;NotificationInterval=1440;Trigger=TimerEvent

Error: (08/21/2021 01:40:38 AM) (Source: Software Protection Platform Service) (User: )
Description: Acquisition of End User License failed. hr=0x80072EE7
Sku Id=ed799377-74b8-4989-a244-14d082e65972

Error: (08/21/2021 01:40:38 AM) (Source: Software Protection Platform Service) (User: )
Description: License acquisition failure details.
hr=0x80072EE7
 

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Raid drivers have to be selected for installation, this because so few people in the world even use RAID.
Ohh.. I still cannot figure how it happened!

Having two fans you would expect the computer to be able to handle the heat better, obviously not and most likely due to how thin the computer is, no room for good airflow inside so even more important that you make sure that the air being sucked in is as cold as possible.
Yes you're right about that..
I also noticed twice before the reinstallation that while rendering, when the laptop was charging, the windows froze and it was about to crash (it's crashed so many times that I could see the behavior matched exactly). But soon after I removed it from charging, it took a minute or two, but then all windows that were started working again, it was rendering again and the BSOD was avoided. I wonder if it's related to charging?

Your Speccy url does not work I`m afraid.
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/u1ihg6dKROXzGwnH1DKCE5R
Sorry, please check this one.

The main errors in MTB are the notebook shutting down and you having an unlicensed version of Windows, see the below;
Unlicensed??? :eek: Howww!!! But it shows in the Windows settings screen-- this is how it was the last time as well!

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Is it possible to fix that? :cry:
 

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Acer may have done it back at the factory which means that if they did you may have a recovery partition on the SSD.

Do you have a link to the chipset drivers that you installed, the first drivers that we can see that got installed are for the Intel HD video.

As mentioned previously, the charger must be connected when you use the dedicated GPU or it will not get the power that it needs to work, likewise the Windows Power Plan must be set to High Performance for the same reason, Speccy is saying that it is set to Balanced which is no good.

The activation thing is an odd one, did you run MTB before you checked for and installed any Windows 10 updates.
 

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Acer may have done it back at the factory which means that if they did you may have a recovery partition on the SSD.
Yes that sounds probable!

Do you have a link to the chipset drivers that you installed, the first drivers that we can see that got installed are for the Intel HD video.
https://www.acer.com/ac/en/IN/content/support-product/7983?b=1
The circled one I installed first.
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Then in the same link - I installed the IRST Storage driver.
After that VGA-Intel,
and last VGA-NVIDIA.
Followed by Windows updates.
Then installed speccy and run it.
After that I installed MTB.

As mentioned previously, the charger must be connected when you use the dedicated GPU or it will not get the power that it needs to work, likewise the Windows Power Plan must be set to High Performance for the same reason, Speccy is saying that it is set to Balanced which is no good.
Yes yes I will change it to High Performance. I forgot to, after the reinstallation :)

The activation thing is an odd one, did you run MTB before you checked for and installed any Windows 10 updates.
I knoww, it's really weird.. As I mentioned in the sequence before, MTB was the last app I run..
 
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