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Programs taking long time to start
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Where what post number answers post 11 and 14.
post a newer speccy report to validate what you are claiming.
Post 11:
1 - Brand new system with brand new components that meet system requirements for Windows 11
2 - Done before posting to the forum
3 - I don't have antivirus software, only Windows antivirus
4 - Done before posting to forum
5 - Done before posting to forum
6 - no problematic programs found so nothing to reinstall
7 - Never in a million years will I do that.
Post 14:
Answered in post 15.
Nothing has changed so a speccy report would be exactly the same as the previous one.
as stated in post #7, because this also happens in Safe Mode, you'd have to be thinking hardware issue.
and you have reloaded Windows onto a different drive, with the other drives disconnected, so we can rule out the SSD being at fault.
just checking - you have tried reloading onto a different drive?
cause in post #8 you say it would be way too painful, then in post #21 you say you have tried all suggestions.
so that leaves hardware, and potentially some sort of incompatibility - like the RAM with the motherboard, or the RAM to the processor.
other than that - I've got nothing.
and you have reloaded Windows onto a different drive, with the other drives disconnected, so we can rule out the SSD being at fault.
just checking - you have tried reloading onto a different drive?
cause in post #8 you say it would be way too painful, then in post #21 you say you have tried all suggestions.
so that leaves hardware, and potentially some sort of incompatibility - like the RAM with the motherboard, or the RAM to the processor.
other than that - I've got nothing.
I haven't installed windows on a different drive because the amount of time it would take to do that and reinstall all my programs, I'd rather just put up with the slow loading times. That being said, Windows is on a M.2 drive and all my other drives are slower speeds, so I don't want to take the chance that things will end up just the same or even slower.
When I bought all my components, the store said that they checked everything and it was all compatible ( I realise that doesn't mean much, they just probably wanted to make the sale seeing as I was buying $3500 AUD worth of components from them).
When I bought all my components, the store said that they checked everything and it was all compatible ( I realise that doesn't mean much, they just probably wanted to make the sale seeing as I was buying $3500 AUD worth of components from them).
it doesn't matter when we suggest, "the problem is this", "have you done that" - sometimes it simply comes down to "let's give this a crack" as nothing else has helped.
for me, the most likely cause of your issue is the SSD - be it faulty, dying, or things got corrupted during installation.
to test that theory, reloading Windows onto any other of your drives would be the next logical step.
installing Windows takes less than 20mins. (no need to reinstall all the drivers, that's not what we are testing)
getting the latest build onto a bootable USB stick using the Windows Media Creation Tool takes about 10mins. (depending on your download speeds)
once Windows is installed you only need to install one or two programs to test load times. so 5mins for Office and 5 for Photoshop.
in other words, within one or two hours we would know whether we have found the culprit.
yes it may all be for naught - be we'd be able to cross the SSD off the list of probable causes.
if all that seems too much, by all means you can continue using the rig as is.
for me, the most likely cause of your issue is the SSD - be it faulty, dying, or things got corrupted during installation.
to test that theory, reloading Windows onto any other of your drives would be the next logical step.
installing Windows takes less than 20mins. (no need to reinstall all the drivers, that's not what we are testing)
getting the latest build onto a bootable USB stick using the Windows Media Creation Tool takes about 10mins. (depending on your download speeds)
once Windows is installed you only need to install one or two programs to test load times. so 5mins for Office and 5 for Photoshop.
in other words, within one or two hours we would know whether we have found the culprit.
yes it may all be for naught - be we'd be able to cross the SSD off the list of probable causes.
if all that seems too much, by all means you can continue using the rig as is.
Okeydoke. I have the day off work so I could spare the time for this.
I disconnected all my drives and then connected a spare HDD that I have. I installed windows, then installed MS Office and Adobe Photoshop - as they're the main culprits.
I got the same result: When I double click the icon to run the program - e.g. Photoshop, there's no activity for about 20 seconds, then the disk starts up and the programs load within a few seconds. I exit the program and run it again and it starts loading immediately. I run something else - in this case MS Edge seeing as I didn't install any other programs. Then I run Photoshop again and, once again there's no activity for about 20 secs and so on...
I tried the same with MS Word and got the same result.
So, I'm at a complete loss, unless there's something I haven't turned on in the BIOS that should be turned on? I don't know.
I disconnected all my drives and then connected a spare HDD that I have. I installed windows, then installed MS Office and Adobe Photoshop - as they're the main culprits.
I got the same result: When I double click the icon to run the program - e.g. Photoshop, there's no activity for about 20 seconds, then the disk starts up and the programs load within a few seconds. I exit the program and run it again and it starts loading immediately. I run something else - in this case MS Edge seeing as I didn't install any other programs. Then I run Photoshop again and, once again there's no activity for about 20 secs and so on...
I tried the same with MS Word and got the same result.
So, I'm at a complete loss, unless there's something I haven't turned on in the BIOS that should be turned on? I don't know.
OK, not the outcome we were hoping for, but progress none the less.
can't say I've seen this sort of thing where a program starts slow, then starts fine until another programs starts, then the initial one is back to slow again.
let's get some previous eyes back on this; @PeterOz @phillpower2
and some new eyes; @xrobwx71 @Pyro @georgeks @Malnutrition
can't say I've seen this sort of thing where a program starts slow, then starts fine until another programs starts, then the initial one is back to slow again.
let's get some previous eyes back on this; @PeterOz @phillpower2
and some new eyes; @xrobwx71 @Pyro @georgeks @Malnutrition
Here might be part of the problem.
@phillpower2
Once Windows has been clean installed you must then install first the MBs chipset drivers then the storage/SATA drivers and third the graphics drivers, the drivers can either come from a disk provided by the motherboard manufacturer ** or downloaded from their site and saved to a flash drive etc, this is a must and Windows should not be allowed to check for updates before it has been done as more often than not Windows installs the wrong drivers or in the incorrect order and this can cause all sorts of problems.
The reason why this procedure is so important, the chipset is what enables the MB to be able to communicate with all the hardware + are the first drivers that Windows looks for on boot.
** For OEM computers/notebooks such as Acer, Dell, HP and Lenovo etc you must only download drivers from their support page, OEMs may sometimes redirect users to a third party site such as AMD or Nvidea to obtain the latest drivers for their GPUs, this tends to be for high end gaming notebooks and desktops though.
The motherboard that I have - Gigabyte GA-B650 AORUS ELITE AX - actually automatically does that on the first run of windows. I installed the Crucial nvme drivers after that. I didn't install the graphics driver though.
No one told me. It actually happened. Current Gigabyte motherboards have a downloader in the BIOS that automatically runs when you install Windows.
we usually suggest reinstalling Windows with any other drive disconnected AND with the PC off the web.
seems this might be even more prudent now with that Gigabyte feature turned on by default.
so that would be another clutch at the straw - yes, means another reload on Windows.
but for this test we don't care too much about drivers, or the installation order.
we just want a clean, offline install of Windows, 2 programs installed, and a test run of each program to check their load times. so just 3 things installed. nothing else to point the blame at then.
if good, you continue loading one thing at a time, testing those two programs, and seeing if they go slow again.
if they do, the last thing installed is probably the culprit.
if bad right after just installing those 3 things, we are back to blaming hardware.
seems this might be even more prudent now with that Gigabyte feature turned on by default.
so that would be another clutch at the straw - yes, means another reload on Windows.
but for this test we don't care too much about drivers, or the installation order.
we just want a clean, offline install of Windows, 2 programs installed, and a test run of each program to check their load times. so just 3 things installed. nothing else to point the blame at then.
if good, you continue loading one thing at a time, testing those two programs, and seeing if they go slow again.
if they do, the last thing installed is probably the culprit.
if bad right after just installing those 3 things, we are back to blaming hardware.
Thanks for all the help but, I'm just going to put up with it. Games have no issues, most of my other apps don't have issues. It's just Office, Photoshop and a few other Adobe apps - Premiere Pro, After Effects - (Although other Adobe apps - Acrobat, Audition - load instantly, so I don't even want to try and understand what's going on there).
Thanks again everyone.
Thanks again everyone.
no worries, will close but of course, any further questions, please get in touch.
sorry we didn't come to a definite conclusion with this one!
sorry we didn't come to a definite conclusion with this one!
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