frametime spikes/heavy stutters despite fairly spec system?

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TheAlmightySkeletor

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Hey all hope everyone is doing well, I've been dealing with stuttering/frametime spikes on my new prebuilt system the specs in question are as listed

Red Devil 6700xt
Ryzen 5 5600x (stock cooler, will replace with a 212 if I can fix this)
Asus Prime B550M-A AC
High Power 650W 80+ Gold
G Skill 2x1GB DDR4 2133MHZ (XMP/DOCP to 3200MHZ)
WD Blue SN500 1TB NVME SSD
Lian Li 205
GPU core temp is about mid 70s (c)
Hot spot is 80-90 (c)
CPU is 70s-80s (c)


I get fairly good fps in all of my games, for example RDR2 runs at a solid sub 100 fps, somewhere like St Denis I get about 70fps, Mordhau I get 90-110fps, TF2 I get 298fps.
But for some reason I cannot get overall performance consistent once something happens in game that's very demanding the frametime graph spikes and that's when the stutters ensue. what I've tried so far:


Disabled PBO (prebuilt manufacturers enabled it even though he had stock cooler)
Updated all drivers via AMD Auto detect
Made sure Ryzen Master was running on the default OC mode
Updated bios
Disabled XMP (and setting different memory times)
Increased DRAM voltage
Disabling Radeon Software Auto OC tuner
Disabled Freesync
Disabled Vsync
Disabled Enhanced Sync
Increased memory clock
Decreased core clock
Cleaning old drivers with the AMD cleanup utility
Disabled PCIE power saving
Disabled 10-bit pixel format
Disabled Microsoft game bar
Disabled discord overlay
Set audio channel to "stereo"
Increased the card's power limit via MSI Afterburner
Updated Ryzen Master
Set refresh rate to 60hz (from 144)
Set games to run at 1080p
Ran memtest86 in bios for 3 hours, 3/4 passes with no errors
Ran crystaldiskinfo, ssd came up as healthy
Reseated GPU
Clean install of windows using medial tool and only gpu/chipset drivers
At this point I went back to Microcenter and replaced it with a brand new rig of the same model. and of course it still stutters. at this point I threw in my old Zotac 950 and of course lower fps and all graphics to low, the performance overall was way more consistent.



I'm at a loss really, could this be simply AMD drivers or could my psu be at play? I'm assuming the 950 is a lower wattage card so maybe my unit can't handle the red devil? (which wouldn't make sense why would they sell it that way.) Anyways just posting if anyone has any clue on what this could potentially be, thank you for your time.
 

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So others can assist...

Post the brand and model name or number of the PSU.

Download then run Speccy (free) and post the resultant url for us, details here, this will provide us with information about your computer hardware + any software that you have installed that may explain the present issue/s.

To publish a Speccy profile to the Web:

In Speccy, click File, and then click Publish Snapshot.

In the Publish Snapshot dialog box, click Yes to enable Speccy to proceed.

Speccy publishes the profile and displays a second Publish Snapshot. You can open the URL in your default browser, copy it to the clipboard, or close the dialog box.
 

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How are you checking the temps?

How are you cooling the system?

Download Speedfan and install it. Once it's installed, run the program and post here any information it shows.

speedfan.png


So that we have a comparison to Speedfan, download, run and grab a screenshot of HWMonitor (free).

To capture and post a screenshot;

Click on the ALT key + PRT SCR key..its on the top row..right hand side..now click on start...all programs...accessories...paint....left click in the white area ...press CTRL + V...click on file...click on save...save it to your desktop...name it something related to the screen your capturing... BE SURE TO SAVE IT AS A .JPG ...otherwise it may be to big to upload... after typing in any response you have... click on Upload a File to add the screenshot.

Screenshot instructions are provided to assist those that may read this topic but are not yet aware of the “how to”.
 

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Other may have more to say in this as well

You might try different XMP setting and see if that does anything.

I'm at a loss really, could this be simply AMD drivers or could my psu be at play? I'm assuming the 950 is a lower wattage card so maybe my unit can't handle the red devil? (which wouldn't make sense why would they sell it that way.) Anyways just posting if anyone has any clue on what this could potentially be, thank you for your time.
This is a possibility usually get 100-150 watts higher that what is needed to prevent to much drainage on the PSU.


(my 5600x comes up as AMDK19 don't know why)

It does report the CPU properly further down the page not to worry
AMD K19
Cores: 1
Threads: 1
Name: AMD K19
Specification: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6-Core Processor
 

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Other may have more to say in this as well

You might try different XMP setting and see if that does anything.


This is a possibility usually get 100-150 watts higher that what is needed to prevent to much drainage on the PSU.




It does report the CPU properly further down the page not to worry
AMD K19
Cores: 1
Threads: 1
Name: AMD K19
Specification: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6-Core Processor
Aye thanks for your response again, I only have one XMP/DOCP profile in my bios (3200mhz) turning it off results in an even more choppy gameplay experience with more stuttering.

That's what I thought anyways because before this I had other prebuilts that stuttered even with nvidia rtx gpus (2060, 3060, and 3060ti) all had the same exact problem. These prebuilts love to put lower end psus in their systems so I'm thinking that's the answer, whether it be low quality or bare min wattage (both maybe) who knows. I would love to think if this is a driver fault the whole AMD discord would be going crazy lol.
 

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How are you checking the temps?

How are you cooling the system?

Download Speedfan and install it. Once it's installed, run the program and post here any information it shows.

speedfan.png


So that we have a comparison to Speedfan, download, run and grab a screenshot of HWMonitor (free).

To capture and post a screenshot;

Click on the ALT key + PRT SCR key..its on the top row..right hand side..now click on start...all programs...accessories...paint....left click in the white area ...press CTRL + V...click on file...click on save...save it to your desktop...name it something related to the screen your capturing... BE SURE TO SAVE IT AS A .JPG ...otherwise it may be to big to upload... after typing in any response you have... click on Upload a File to add the screenshot.

Screenshot instructions are provided to assist those that may read this topic but are not yet aware of the “how to”.
Didn't see this first response sorry, I use afterburner's monitoring tab or HWINFO64 but let me download Speedfan and post results as soon as possible.
 

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You could also try DDU to remove all the Display driver and reinstall it again.

Have seen some use older versions of Display drives that have helped.

 

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Here's speedfan, snaps of hwinfo and included a snap of gpu-z


You could also try DDU to remove all the Display driver and reinstall it again.

Have seen some use older versions of Display drives that have helped.

Sadly I've used DDU and reinstalled all drivers starting from the latest to the first released besides a blank screen glitch on startup being fixed the stutters remain constant, appreciate the response though.
 

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The temps look fine.

Something for you to do to see how your present set up handles video when not online gaming;

Use the free versions at the following links;

Stress test your GPU with Furmark

Check your FPS etc with SUPERPOSITION

See how the above goes then get back to us.

Depending on how the test results go would suggest testing with a better PSU more wattage.

These prebuilts love to put lower end psus in their systems so I'm thinking that's the answer,
You are correct and most of them can not even come close to put out what they claim to.

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Fired up fuzzy donut and super position, Furmark ran flawless for the 10 minutes I had it up. Super position ran pretty fine as well but noticed one spike down to 67 fps which caused a micro stutter, I tested the game half of that benchmark too and I got pretty frequent stutters in that test. (couldn't manage to get afterburner to overlay I apologize for that)
 

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Some screenshots of radeon metrics and rivatuner frametime graph with Mordhau up if that's worth any information.
 

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From what I am seeing is that the PSU may be what that requires it is just not enough to run the system and all the other components at the same time.

Like you stated you put a lower GPU and things ran better.

@phillpower2
 

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Just some more information, upon playing hell let loose my gpu usage, clock speeds and cpu clocks were all over the place I don't know if this is any clue but I thought it'd be worth to share.
 

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